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#1 2012-03-31 11:37:18

Bringbackpluto
Apprentice

Who are Jon's parents? (spoilers)

Today a friend showed me an interesting article detailing the evidence to support different theories on who Jon's mother/father is. Throughout the story the reader assumes that Ned is Jon's father, with his mother a mystery (although Ned tells Robert that Wylla is Jon's mother).

However, the main point of this article is the possibility that Rhaegar/Lyanna conceived a baby, which is why 3 men of the Kingsguard were at the Tower of Joy (protecting Rhaegar's blood), and why Lyanna died in a "blood of bed" (there's no blood from fevers).

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At first, I was very doubtful that anyone but Ned could be Jon's father, but read the article (especially point III), and you may be convinced as much as I am.


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#2 2012-04-01 23:04:46

Cipher
Project Lead

Re: Who are Jon's parents? (spoilers)

Yeah. This is something that some friends and I have discussed often. It makes a great deal of sense. Ned is too honorable a man to father a bastard child, as is alleged with Jon. It's an act that would be entirely out of the man's character. So why would Ned raise Jon as his own son? If Jon were his nephew, that would be one reason. Ned was at the Tower of Joy when Lyana died, so it's conceivable that he came home with Lyana's (and Rhaegar's) love child after she died.

One thing that's absolutely clear is that Wylla is not Jon's mother. Ned alludes to that at the beginning of the story when he's leaving for King's Landing and promises to tell Jon all about his mother once he gets back. Of course he never gets back but to have much to tell about somebody you'd have to know them really well. Like a sister. And taking his dead sister's child to raise as his own WOULD be a very honorable act and thus within Ned's character to do so.

So in short, yes I believe that Jon is the bastard son of Lyanna and Rhaegar. I believe there is still one man alive that can corroborate the truth. If I recall correctly, I think it was Howland Reed but my memory is murky.


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#3 2012-04-02 10:06:55

Bringbackpluto
Apprentice

Re: Who are Jon's parents? (spoilers)

I was thinking Reed or possibly Jon Connington, although if Connington knew then he would probably be trying to wed Rhaegar's son to Dany.


Tell me, princess, when did you last let your heart decide?

 

#4 2012-04-02 10:14:14

the_father
Novice

Re: Who are Jon's parents? (spoilers)

Very interesting! This argument seems convincing to me but hopefully we will all find out the truth in the next books.

 

#5 2012-04-02 10:39:38

Cipher
Project Lead

Re: Who are Jon's parents? (spoilers)

Just finished reading your link, pluto. I must say, the clincher for me is the series title A Song of Ice and Fire. I always wondered if there was a deeper meaning and it seems there very well might be.


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#6 2012-04-12 12:23:50

Kelmont
Smallfolk

Re: Who are Jon's parents? (spoilers)

wanted to add also that at one place in the Books eddard re-calls his last conversation with Lyanna and her begging him and forcing him to promise before she dies that he "will never tell Robert" also Eddard is always concerned with Roberts eagerness to kill any of those carrying "dragons Blood" no matter their age legitimacy or temperment. Also in the books he actually speaks of Wylla as being a whore he slept with..but I believe stops short of ever naming her or any other woman as Jon's mother. I believe he asked Robert to please not command him to reveal Jon's mother..it is one of the things that bothers me about the series vs. the Books

Last edited by Kelmont (2012-04-12 12:24:51)

 

#7 2012-04-12 15:09:19

Aristogato
Sworn Sword

Re: Who are Jon's parents? (spoilers)

You shouldn't forget that since a boy, Rhaegar always pondered on his destiny and such, acording to Barristan, and when Aegon was born in Danys vision, he speaks of the Prince that was promised, and in the song, he is born from Ice and Fire, Rhaegar being fire and Lyanna being Ice, so maybe he thought he was fulfilling some sort of higher call when he fell in love/kidnapped Lyanna. All that summed to Ned's thoughts as you mentioned makes you hesitate quite a lot.


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Here is my throne, bid kings come bow to it.
 

#8 2012-04-13 12:26:45

Bringbackpluto
Apprentice

Re: Who are Jon's parents? (spoilers)

Aristogato wrote:

You shouldn't forget that since a boy, Rhaegar always pondered on his destiny and such, acording to Barristan, and when Aegon was born in Danys vision, he speaks of the Prince that was promised, and in the song, he is born from Ice and Fire, Rhaegar being fire and Lyanna being Ice,

this is a very strong point


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#9 2012-04-17 09:24:13

ThatOneGuy
Smallfolk

Re: Who are Jon's parents? (spoilers)

I think the Rhaegar/Lyanna theory is the most plausible at this point; Wylla/Ned seems like a fairly clear red herring. No doubt that Ned did have some sort of love affair with the woman, and the purported romance between Ashara and Ned serves the same purpose. These are both convenient camouflages for Jon's true lineage and the fact that the very few people able to confirm/deny this are people that were nowhere near Dorn implies that Jon's mother was someone more local than either Wylla or Ashara would have been.

Jon being a Targaryen seems like the sort of plot twist Martin likes, too, so there's that to consider. It would be pretty anti-climatic for Jon's mother to turn out to be a morally loose wet nurse living somewhere in Dorn. Ashara being the mother lends a more romantic quality to the tale, the love that was never meant to be and the son born from that forbidden love, but Martin isn't much of a romantic so I find this also to be a dubious theory at best. All we know about Ashara is that she may or may not have had some kind of romantic relationship with Ned, but unlike Wylla, we have no concrete evidence that they actually slept together.

Also; does it seem to anyone else that Aemon took on an almost fatherly relationship with Jon right away? The time of Robert's civil war was pre-Aemon taking the black (if I'm not mistaken), is it possible that he might have known or at least suspected that they share common blood?

Unrelated: After I finished A Feast for Crows I started to wonder if it were possible that Jane Westerling might be carrying Rob's child. After Riverrun was taken, I believe she was just shipped back to the West lands but it's been a while so my memory is hazy. The only problem with this theory is that the siege of Riverrun went on for at least a few months so if she were pregnant it seems logical that it would have been pretty noticeable by the time Jaime convinced Brynden to surrender.

Last edited by ThatOneGuy (2012-04-17 09:36:58)

 

#10 2012-04-17 10:04:17

Aristogato
Sworn Sword

Re: Who are Jon's parents? (spoilers)

And Jeyne's mother was acting to keep her away and safe? Could be, but I doubt it. Yet that would be interesting if it happened, indeed.


Here I and sorrows sit;
Here is my throne, bid kings come bow to it.
 

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